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Books interview: Paulin Ismard

The professor in Greek history and author of Democracy鈥檚 Slaves discusses theatre鈥檚 power, ancient political systems and tackling Gravity鈥檚 Rainbow

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February 16, 2017
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February 16, 2017
Author Paulin Ismard of 笔补苍迟丑茅辞苍-Sorbonne University 鈥 Paris聽1

What sorts of books inspired you as a child?
When I was small, I mainly read comics and game books. The first novel that made a deep impression was My Sweet-Orange Tree by Jos茅 Mauro de Vasconcelos.

Which books spurred you to study the ancient world?
If I had to choose a single book, it would be Plato鈥檚 Phaedo. It was a present from my father 鈥 I have a clear memory of how I discovered it at the age of 17. But it was my encounter with Greek theatre that converted me to ancient history, particularly the production of Aeschylus鈥 Oresteian trilogy by Ariane Mnouchkine鈥檚 Th茅芒tre du Soleil when I was 14.

Which works on ancient history do you constantly find yourself returning to?
The complete works of Nicole Loraux, and particularly The Divided City: On Memory and Forgetting in Ancient Athens and The Invention of Athens: The Funeral Oration in the Classical City. I would also mention the work of Jean-Pierre Vernant and, although his influence on me is different and less direct, Moses Finley. But the recourse to antiquity by non-historians 鈥 Michel Foucault, of course, or Jacques Ranci猫re 鈥 is just as inspiring.

Your new book, 鈥鈥, explores the central role of 鈥榩ublic slaves鈥 in ancient Athenian democracy. What is a good general account of the development of democracy?
That is difficult, because we are not really talking about a continuous history. Is democracy the same thing throughout? An Athenian observing our political system would laugh at the idea that we call it 鈥渄emocracy鈥. And few books have tried to offer a global history of democracy from antiquity up until now. There have, however, been two successful but very different recent attempts: Paul Cartledge鈥檚 Democracy: A Life and Luciano Canfora鈥檚 Democracy in Europe.

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What are the key texts about slavery in ancient Greece?
If we are talking about ancient texts, no author devoted a whole book to the subject. The slave can be found here and there in the byways of major works such as Aristotle鈥檚 Politics, obviously, and Plato鈥檚 Laws, but also Sophocles鈥 Oedipus Rex. But for the historian, the most interesting texts are epigraphic 鈥 inscriptions. Among modern historians, there鈥檚 obviously Moses Finley (Ancient Slavery and Modern Ideology), even though one might dispute many of his claims, and, paradoxically, the work of someone who isn鈥檛 a specialist in antiquity: Orlando Patterson鈥檚 Freedom in the Making of Western Culture.

What is the last book you gave as a gift, and to whom?
James Salter鈥檚 All That Is, for a friend鈥檚 40th birthday. It鈥檚 one of the most beautiful books I鈥檝e read over the past few years.

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What books do you have on your desk waiting to be read?
On my desk, I essentially keep books for work, with Malick Ghachem鈥檚 The Old Regime and the Haitian Revolution at the top of the pile. But there鈥檚 also a book at the foot of my bed that I keep promising myself I鈥檓 going to read, though so far without success: Thomas Pynchon鈥檚 Gravity鈥檚 Rainbow.

Paulin Ismard is associate professor in Greek history at 笔补苍迟丑茅辞苍-Sorbonne University 鈥 Paris 1. His latest book is (translated by Jane Marie Todd, Harvard University Press).

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